Friday, January 22, 2010

Open Discussion: February ballot and voting

I think the first round of voting for the People's Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame went off wonderfully. We got 61 ballots counted when I was hoping for at least 20, and we ended up with seven very deserving inductees.

If I could do things differently, I would have allowed write-in candidates too (so long as they met the 1960 cut-off date), which would have eliminated any complaints of voters being restricted. While I don't believe anyone not listed on the 25 name ballot could have gotten enough support to get in this time if we counted the votes, I do like the idea of letting people do it because it points us towards who maybe should be a nominee that we might have overlooked for one reason or another.

I would like to make three changes to the process starting in February. The first is to allow for write-ins. As I said, an artist still has to meet the cut-off date (which will be 1961 this time around) for the vote to count, but all qualified votes will be counted. The second is that I'm expanding the list of nominees from 25 to 50. If that sounds a bit drastic, consider how many worthy candidates are out there already, with only more coming in big waves as we get into '62-67. With the write-in option, we're essentially opening it up to any artist who came up by 1961 but I still think a nominee list is essential. There is a certain prestige with "just being nominated", as they say, and I like to be able to give credit to artists and groups who may not ever get elected into our HOF, but still deserve to be honored in some way.

The third change is in the number of candidates we're allowed to vote for. Ten obviously won't make it from here on out. I think that if we kept it at ten, especially considering the expanded nominee list, we'd likely end up with even less inductees this time around. When we look at how many deserving artists there are waiting, I don't think that would do, and several of you have already expressed the same concern here and on the Facebook page. At first I was thinking that a moderate increase to 15 would be appropriate, but when I look at our list for February, I believe we should up it 20. The thing that convinced me we needed it to be at 20 was that when I looked at the list of February nominees I saw that the voting could largely split off into separate stylistic blocks, and one could easily fill a 15 name ballot with performers all from one or a couple of related sub-genres while completely ignoring another. The result would be a split electorate and less inductees. If we have 20 however, I think there's a better chance of most of the ballots showing a broader cross-section of artists.

So, to sum up my long explanation, I'd like to make the following changes:

  • Allow write-in votes.
  • Increase the nominee list from 25 to 50
  • Increase ballot size from 10 to 20.
In the comments below, I'll post my proposed list of nominees. Please do not submit any votes at this time. The list won't be official until I post it again at the end of the month. I want to post it here so some of our diligent rock 'n' roll historians can have a look and let me know if there's anyone obvious I should be including.

Please feel free to comment on the proposed nominee list and/or any of the other changes I'm proposing. I plan on posting the ballot officially on one of the last days of this month.

5 comments:

Ted Cogswell said...

Here's my proposed 50 nominees. It includes all of the artists and groups from the first ballot that didn't get elected.

You'll notice that I've sprinkled in a few people who are borderline "rock 'n' roll" on here, most obviously with Hank Williams as well as the three big names of electric blues: Muddy, the Wolf, and John Lee Hooker. I don't know if I would personally vote for any of them for a RnR HOF, I still need to think about it, but by putting the names on the ballot, they can be considered by everybody. If some of these fringe artists fail to get much support, they'll eventually drop off the ballot and we'd be discouraged from stretching the definition of RnR that far in the future.

Here's what I came up with, please post comments and suggestions below (and remember, the cut-off for this election is 1961 for an artist/groups debut single or lp).

1. LaVern Baker
2. Hank Ballard & The Midnighters
3. Ruth Brown
4. Johnny Burnette & the Rock 'n' Roll Trio
5. The Chantells
6. Ray Charles
7. Chubby Checker
8. The Coasters
9. Eddie Cochran
10. Sam Cooke
11. Dick Dale
12. Bobby Darin
13. Dion & the Belmonts
14. Fats Domino
15. The Drifters
16. Duane Eddy
17. The Everly Brothers
18. Aretha Franklin
19. Bill Haley & His Comets
20. Screamin' Jay Hawkins
21. John Lee Hooker
22. Howlin' Wolf
23. The Isley Brothers
24. Wanda Jackson
25. Etta James
26. Louis Jordan
27. Little Willie John
28. Frankie Lymon & the Teenagers
29. Clyde McPhatter
30. The Moonglows
31. Ricky Nelson
32. Roy Orbison
33. Carl Perkins
34. Lloyd Price
35. Otis Redding
36. Smokey Robinson & The Miracles
37. The Ronettes
38. Del Shannon
39. The Shirelles
40. The Supremes
41. Rufus Thomas
42. Big Mama Thornton
43. Big Joe Turner
44. Richie Valens
45. The Ventures
46. Gene Vincent
47. Muddy Waters
48. Hank Williams
49. Jackie Wilson
50. Link Wray

Ted Cogswell said...

And just a reminder in case anyone missed it in the main post, Do not submit any ballots yet. I will be posting the official list before the end of the month.

Ted Cogswell said...

For the record, I also had the following names on the list as I was putting it together, but made cut decisions to get it down to 50. Some of these people are no-brainer nominees but are more known as mid-60s artists and I figure we'll have plenty of time for them in the next month or two. B.B. King I'm holding off on until I see if there's any support for Muddy, the Wolf, and JLH. Johnny Cash can be considered after we see how Hank does.

Solomon Burke
Johnny Cash
The Four Tops
Marvin Gaye
The Impressions
B.B. King
The Staple Singers
The Temptations
Ike & Tina Turner

slugger said...

Ted

Here are a few I would have submitted

Wynonie Harris
Larry Williams
Amos Milburn
Smiley Lewis
Professor Longhair
Arthur "Big Boy" Crudup
Huey Piano Smith
Billy Lee Riley
The Cadets
The Cadillacs
Charlie Feathers
Charlie Rich
The Clovers
The Dominoes
Joe Bennett and the Sparkletones
Ray Campi and the Bellhops
Roy Brown
Slim Harpo
Sonny Burgess
Warren Smith

I know there is a lot to consider
but there is my two cents.

Slugger

Ted Cogswell said...

Thanks Slugger, I have considered many of them and will definitely reconsider some. I'm pretty sure there will be an oldies/early influences category eventually to deal with people like all the ones you've listed.